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By KGq XqVg MI{q - Nov 16, 2002   

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oD HX{q XqV [Vg lr: <mko o MX | Mqqp {X: ]Ds e{} qH} {}; }I| {s odhgmM| |>; mkD: mkl's Mbfmk YM siXmk : IT} KmkIo} lq} D|| mkF: dF }dF }i^ <mkl'o | MX mkMFq Mo M] Fq M] r IT \ M]okS'}: IX kD |s | K}]pq MVI mkE{ Dg: BVg \ | LU D{: s} lq'} D} o[LL|D Dg mkF S> mkF mkl's Xr }p ; 

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5 ]T l MI{q AVg HF pXqV: KmkIq LLo : mkDq 21 eMo 2002 KUI{q }MMV} }Scch ML KD }Mi} ok; mks | KSap KFo: Fo o.H.. [Vg lr: eL |mk | MX Klq Mp|: }mkD }D KX | mk| ]DsD {iXn chF| DM mkHoq K[Sq: och; ]M il LF: n K}kX Lq aLD} nK}kX Fꋍ} o.H.. [Vg lr o}[: <IU {gI KFpq [F| oppD lpq mk eLq }sD Kopq }MM mke| qkq }mkSD Klq }MMlF kX| lpq [E[F| MMĆ| k \F Kmk|; }AVg phXoX i| B} I} KSg Kmk } L H}|: mks S's }MmkI mkF| omkS ]og mk kD mkM}lT Smk| \F: mkHlVg S D rq > D S q |o ch{ lpq mk Kog sSmk IU Md[: cD A}kp} soKo} mkL H { ]pq: |mk kpq} lEq MI{q | lq DKpo mkMs ]mk XT KX ]K; 

<mko | H KFo D | KUI{q MMV MMX sX| }o AF rM ssVSmk|M: r IT mkSlmko AVq} mkBVg ImkSo[mk} oF} o} ]DsD KXI } | mk mkF} {X ]DHM: mks }K}] phXoX} {o mk N} lEq MI{q mk a 4o Kpq }oA} II MqML} mks|a g o~pq mk o\G l's MiF }k sX M{ D; [k: r IT M lF MI{q I o Ha lF: I lF { chXmk mkL| }kX} gq} {} VI s{] }IT }sqF MI{q MVI LDq }} }MI{q} mk H s MmkF; H| IT'} {s ikD {kY} mkMlF'> }np  g| H iEDq [SpX I Msl{ {kS mkME l SM ;> 

s o a mko g l olBD sSl {: mks l's SM M] }: mko KF[ |mk n K}kX EDg KUI{q} eI |mk eEDq [SpX DM [ KFq}: mk24 eMo 2002 [ KmkXA DM mk[D]o c}cpq mk }oX{q sXG GM }: Mo mk IrM siSmkN: <Mo M] Fq M} M] r IT \ M]omkS'} IX kD |'s |'s K}]pq MVI mkE{ Dg: BVg \mk | LU'} D{: M lq'} D} o[LL|D Dg> mkF S: mkF GT mk l M sXG {T; s mko l siSmk ]pq a kF}; mk Hc }o{: s H ['s: mko KSM s]MD g l iXmk'} l {T mkF; mk HD gE mko kF | MMX KFo }o{'} { M kF}; M F mkD }o ~M bfmkM GM M: a o olAD} solAD} }p {T S; { A@ | Do F [mk M mkF F}'; mks HD  }M}p M DM MBs MD { X{}: H^q M Hc K]F MlAF }{mk] k mkMX }F mkM}]} mkMc}mk}: qF {X mk sKF g} Kq qMĆ F Ms K[D DK X l S MĆ: { | sD K]D}}; }SmkH Bmk} AX} M YM mkF M{q'} mkD}; H [mk }o[{ s nK}kX | MI{q { LDq | lV} H} np Gs [ |Kss sLHX K]D}}; a} mk Ms K[D | oED HFpq mkHlX mk o[LMD Dog phXoX oMS [I AVg }lX]: mk H sNV[g lmk MIV oF  mk }o{}: cD mkMF{q M D LHX sg {}; M|Flq o g| H } nK}kX EDg KUI{q smkch { }oSnN : \mk s F M D chF mkF mk | MI{q I D}; }M{ꉍ s | oFo oD HX{q XqV [Vg lr KX's | nK}kX{q Ir V ? ] F Kk['} sD ? mkD Irpq' sFDD; o òM | Mqqp {]: 12 AV} lq Slmko AVq M K}: }AVg dF[ }] Mo mkF LK}: }^M } }Aq AV} ~M AVg 骧 ED} IDch} YM }{mk^M MLrM H{o: s sg aX's }ooqG'} HkX mkMqML} | M]VI Ag@ \mk } }iLq Mq} M} XGi} sMLq' K]D{;

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oFo o.H.. [Vg lr: mk s Y MX: mkl'o MX KFrM XrM V iUnM : Xr |o k [M } dhpq sM~M: mk M}p ok[' qmkF? 

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MK]D{ cL: mkl o} lq D|| mkF [: LDq <| | K}]pq ]DD BVg ϑ'} ]DsD }IT KXI } |> mkF He{o mkKS K mkbfmk SkD F ]Dq}: K{-K} } o} lq K kE? K} }p D ? olAD? omkAD} ]L}: |s |'s K}]pq M D|{ mkF mk }oD : ]oF}  SM}: }osD k |o L} ]} ]D sD: }\rM s Hepq's mk@ SkD KS}; M}o Ms K[D bfmkpq smkD DKpq iUnM gÇM MsF ]DF: [ smkF ]pq XgX| mk| {o K]XI dF[ sKF mkMqH }oo| Ha mkF MkX: F M}q {kYM K]D}}; MkX s òM ] | MI{q nK}kX{q Ir V ? mk skD{ M}q H'} s ;  

F: Xr } DM mkN| [MF cF K[F MsD qM} mk }: XrM q[M'} K[F MsDM sMilF: mk s NV]g lBUq mk]: } VI ]M{ { VI F: Fq H}o F}'M: k kG: mk mkF f|mk} {i} mk | MLq lq M} K]D{; Mo Fꋍ o.H. [Vg lr Xo iXmk F ogAn: o k'} M F }oSmk} mk K[Sq o aX mkF cUk XXmk }okSD: o k mko kX q: mko~ o KX Hs mk }o{T: Xo ]oF }osD D} mk MX smkI pI X} lEHq} M|Flq F MAk {T mkF; M}o : mk ch{|M lpq chXk {kT mks Ir's }ED { [}q} K[Sp}} ko lpq: IU {gI} M} ]Lpq {kY q: K MosK] Eq| ki X| }FM M; Fꋍ o.H. [Vg lr mkS MĆ pI T X }o{mkX: a M {T mkF; mks 骧's o c} sI} : | DK XrprM XgYM SdhirM V{M nX\prM iDDM mk {|M mk mkD }D: iM ochK mkK τ odhD]o: M GM }G q: kM Mo sSlM } F| mkN| [L|M: sSl|'} ]M DM MI}M }D: M }M NV]g KS SM MM s ILi oX {T; L}M lF MI{q { HD: M] K[Spg KqEg M{po K oX M: M]o oS HD mkHlX [XI sD F mk S mk kHD s: mk[EM ED} mko }lX } K[D oHD ; s | o.H. [Vg lr Fꋍ {pq }: lD'} MsS |mks S's smkJ Ms{ < mko | MX 'MkX mk MI{q lF{o] \Hmk}> mkF' mko l D; mkHlX HkX| } }F | |kD }D: mk S : FF }oT'} FF} KXo} mk Kk: l iF' {T o e{ ; mkM | mkrM chK lpq'} LLq| s[E[F|; 

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ks o MX's: oFo oD HX{q XqV [Vg lr <K}]} ̩F} | phXoX oAUK> mkD; }p' o oASK DM X qmkF? Ha lF MS F} LDrM ? ] mk| Mqqp oAUK LDrM ? 

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mkchM{q }X sD|: mk { mk MX | KUI{q kX mkK[Sq B} I ; | MI{q }o{'} M ; o a-}a eL MX M| éch B} I | MI{q : {lX} Ha} D ED eK {q mkD}; {lX} Ha} DM H]k }o{YM: oFo o.H. [Vg lr: q} sq} F 骧 {: M mkF H\mk mko B} I [SDM chNM iXk FDM {kS}; ]Ds ks ]{Kpg Hc S }D: {o si B} I Dog phXoX K}[} ̩D} AUNM }^M M }MssD} DM SM 'MkX: o F] { qmkqpq}  clpq} }kY }kY mks] NV]g X| | B} I DoF phXoX oLss' ]XG chD;  

F: o Mqqp mkF }o{'}: He{o S F: Mo mk chK KF[ oF eL'o MX M mk F q qM bfmkprM }osiXk: Hc } H^q Mo{S {T; |o} D|| lAE lq sSl mk KS [L}: mk dDl Kmk}: M]X{q smkD Fc EEq Mbfmk X MiVmk} mkL L } D|| FM| MlF}: mkI KXqpq Xn {}; s mk Fc[lg MqML} MX]' }; s MHc bfmk [ qSkD K[Sq} KXq} sD K]D}}; ]Ds mkdhED S }D Fꊍq o.H. [Vg lr: }NV]g lmk [VXH AVg MI{q XqV G^M VI s{]: }D AVg HFpq mkq DD ckM MŇM: KqEg } k}}'M NM;  

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oFo o.H.. [Vg lr |oDK{ N : mksNV[g lmk l SM M }^M: }]qM LDq oSωM kpq: {o k AVg 骧 o l }FFM mkM: aLD KsM |mk oFo o.H.. [Vg lr DM }M}p M oT? }\rM {s o}snM sMME^M ]DM}p' qmkF?  

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K­KU s sg aX's ooG mkHlX } }DD lp }M}:   H}\mk oM'M F| ko }^M K} } }AVg SmkH| ]Ds{: }| |mko l oKD^M {o oSk òM }qJ AVg HE{q| X| ]D[|: o l EF} K]XI MX }Dq 22 \X} X|; }^M } {s g Amk} V s{]: {p rM aLD'} }o{: {rM oFo | o.H. [Vg lr mkchp qSnM MsqF} o o] KX KX mk { seX M{} mk Fq Lq aLD o.H. [Vg lr oHkTg: mks D S qMD] kXg; }\rM {s mkAXg MI{q XqV omkS }pg ok^pq's ebfbf skDM M}q: mko }kT} lBX} np | lpq }ooKD^M: o kF DKpq mkKD EF} bfmkpq iXkD} Ioo} M~M}: }\rM L {o siSmk ]pq} DKpq}: mkbfmk S} MF[D} sD M~M} o 骧 mk Kp Hc KDk Smk M{: mki YM ]D}sk M K dhpq s{; 

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o.H..[Vg lr: s òM's pI XkD F mkBmk K} mk } : a-}a mk }oX{q MXJM: }S-Bk prXg ]Xq K}]o B F MAnM} K qU? mk Bmk| k[E K qK~?  

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oFo o.H. [Vg lr: NV[g X| I^M l SM }HFpq MI{q K[Sq Fn [ smkF ]pq [NM} MM V F: a-}a {s ILi olYM's mk } |mk pI ] K} oD: }M LX} }{mk^M ED} mkD: HE{q mkD K}: |mk D I} prUg ]Xq B FDD}: mk KE DM |mk p} E} kI: mk}oX{q MXI mkMlX k M NM; s olX's mks I AX| or sE k eFE}: B }Mmkqp| opHG sD D -_{g GX | MMidhF pq} KD[ F Bmk lmk MpDM: HE{q D s}} s]MM} olX ; l EDg KUI{q {s aX's }MpI | MX Kmk }s qSnM aLD mk[D s: Skg sKSD M}q'} MK]D{: |mk KE DM XI sHE{pg olVq mkME} MXI} oLM ]D{kT M~M' o}sk; LDq }lGo: mk KXkmk }oX{q IU MX| |: }qmkq| KD[ sV oX }}smk} }]M sD| ]Mqpq}: }D lF EDg KUI{q H{q |o sD K} \mk } sHE{pg M{ KD }n IU MHs: }iEDq [SpX: {s 骧's KqEq | AVg MI{q XqV phXoX} B}-I} K[Sq V: \{pq q]D KD HE{q Al; 

mkl'o mk Bmk| k[E K qK~ kFN mkMFq: Bmk| mk[}'s prUg ]Xq K}]o B: mk q sD | I[M KV kl} cD ]q} Aq eFE HV : mks pUg l's k qkq |kS }D: Ms K[D oX sok mkM{: mk}oX{q U }D }s'} }o{ [}mk lBXg ; mkq |o ILi k[E mk Bmk|: mkHT K}]o B} mk ėSNq sD oS KS bfVpo}: mkl's KFrM I sD çepq MqpF F' K]D{; mks } H {X mk}X D sD: {s mk[}'s ILi olVrM's mk Bmk| kG k[Epq: mkHE{q IooD Fo o.H. [Vg lr M; mkK[So FF }oo[rM'} mk D AVg K]X} mkoHo Kmk oX{ϊ: mk D [I AVg }lX }: mk K]XI mkdF[ qqJ} qXN} l M}lT: }L}M HE{q ]M F F' K]D{; \mk K mkHlX dF[{ F}' F KK} q] s {pq soʹS: mko o[o FF qmkq Kmk mkH sqD M}q {kS}; 

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mk a [VXH | MI{q } | HFpq [V XqV : l S MĆ M [VXH} lBF} FK ? }M{ꉍ NV[g' qmkF? 

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| AVg MI{q XqV [VXH } | HFpq [V XqV [VXH: NV[g X| |H] mkF: M KXJ } M lBD D}; }lD mk KUI{q oD HX{q XqV [Vg lr lpq'} }q{: FF} òM} [q }D S Ć mkF I sD K]D}}; mk oNY [V|: mks τ | M}ijq} M}Eq} k |q II}   HDD mksI ILi oNYpq' }o{kS: DD MkX l S MĆ (wolk out) MlX }| }{mk] M mk }kX sD [  oKD] D MlF: }K­KU s' mk oKY AVg MI{q XqV } mk AVg dF[ s AVg HFpq [V| S sD K]D{; 

}M{ꉍ NV[g kFN: }qiD sĆ KqF B}-I [X M NV[g {}; mk M |q| qI} [EM} }MX Bmk| HV }MĆ mk }mkY S prX{q oD: mkK} o oX{|D sD| Dog phXoX} | B} I| NV[g X|} KXJ} {mkY }osF|: M H F | }dD] D| }mkD qXM BF} VI s{]: HkX| L oV }đq'} }F}; M lBD'} ki  mk{q {}; M}o lI'} }o{ Ms N skD mk: Fc[mk S D mkF KFo ]DsIF; s S | MĆ (wolk out) KD] L D | MlF lBD's: mk M|q| | HX{pg dF[ {pq kX s{]: mko HV { Bmkpq} K}]pq} HlVg SmkHpq S mk mkX lpq N Ms K[D (wolk out) K[Eq se [VXHpq M oNY S 'MkX: mk M|q| K[D HX{pg Ir }qI mk kX oD: mkNV[g X| HkS [XI D{ |kF: {s [VXH's M e{ [ qcKD A| s{] V[ K]D{;

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{o mk FD lEq MI{q siSmk mkAVg q ]] H ]pq: mkbfmk oiXmk qDk DM: FM mk KDM N {XM: mko DmkN bfmkpq o.H. [Vg lr siSmk D? 

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D}; o }^M Mbfmk DM siXmk: rM KmkIqM lq} IT}: mk Y MX {kS | MMX s DM| mkF'; } }o{ rM DM| mkFM lq K}M? s{XM} DNM} kFM} F mk eLM K[X oS mk sqDD: M bfmk q] e}} qH} {}; lDM o.H. [Vg lr mkDq 24 eMo 2002 [ KmkXA DM mk kq Iq nK}kX mk s KD mk 4 Ms mkD < [k]F} K}]o q IU's MmkF|pq's M] KUI{q mk| mk omkS XXmk: mk a q MI{q Fd mkMp }D MS }D qMS F| mk FD s} lq o~ kX|D mk{q mkF|} mkD Dp AnMD > mkMlF MF X'; {rM Fq Slmko K}]pq'} HorMM HoqM} sS|' }osD }p MF[DM MD oHFK oqG 骧'; o H_ KS] mko l | EDg KUI{q o olAD| mkF q-}q mkF mkMiVmk bfmk mkMH} ʑ[ M}}' {T o Ha: MkX }D-F{ |olBD |mk kDkE X sSl'] M bfmk [ MMq] mkIg K} mkDog |mk KMMp smkI KqG {}; 

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oFo o.H. [Vg lr: lDM l SM mke: K DM'M oKD^M lF{q| mk MI{q B' mkD sD? ] M]o mkF V}? F'} mkF <mko | MX l VI }odhN M]Hmk| mkUB| }]|>: [SpX AVg MI{q XqV: mk Dr KFo } M mk MI{q [HmkM ooXK> mkD s K LDq ? 

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kp ISo IrM MX: iEDq [SpX AVg MI{q XqV  mkl mk l SM MM M mk MI{q \HmkM ooXK mkF lABE qF {}; {o }^M mkl'o mk MI{q lF{rM B MBE D iEDq [SpX } lF EDg KUI{q mkqF oSM': mkqF F M; s D |Dq' iEDq [SpX {o mkFo o.H. [Vg lr

1.                  mk {~M }Dog phXoX} B} I | AVg MI{q XqV  AUNM l SM MM; e{} qH} {} D ]DK{;

2.                  {o seSk se{ ]pq }M mk l chXmk EDg KUI{q }siSkDM MI}p mk} lmk aa MlDM;

3.                  o o|_ mkF phXoX { o\p lF mk { np }KUI{q I FF eK {q smkD }[: K}]} ̩F} phXoX oAUK DM MENM;

4.                  {o D K]XI lpq mk M} [{q mk Mi}: c}M mke mk MMV M]okG se{ ]pq mkMiVmk l SM MM

5.                  {s òLq's }MpI EDg KUI{q }XTD DKpq} }p MK]F }M]L dpq mksM} SM {s} mkHE{q} mkq]q} U l cU {o aX }MpI }[DM aLD g sMAnM;

6.                  mks HDM {o D DKpq} se{ olVrM} ]prM} HE{q mkD K} mk KXkmk }oX{q mkMXI {o mko] }k Bmk| ]}mk} }prXg ]Xq s`} F mkMAnM; 

eEDq [SpX {s D: ooF sNV[g } se{ ]prM} olVrM} mk mkmk mkMp': {o mk FD lEq MI{q seSmk H ]pq mkbfmk S s mkT }oskchM }se{ olVrM} ]prM} iWp Ho Dkq; s \mk } lF{rM mk AVg MI{q XqV: o}FD }I [{q; iEDq [SpX I} <lF{q| mk MI{q B' mkphXoX }Ms |> MlDM: M]o M}]HnM d {} qmkF }E: qXM Alr s{]: }Dog phXoX} B} I} mkMBVM: sNV[g lmk mkMpF SM mkMĆM lF{qM lFM AUMN |ADM: mk Dog phXoX {| lF{q| B' MlFM: V qmkF sE'MkX M MkFM[ ke V qF ; 

F o lABEM {}II V M{ sS L mkH-_{ <s KUI{pq's }| Ą HFpq o}kX }| \{ Bk XqV ki sF ; DL mkMmkX }o­LX|N lI mkkk } [o }} | LDq' s]M> D X HD K D { KUI{q's ochkD lF{o B' D X; s ]D{ \mk I {o mkiEDq [SpX oHM KFo mkchp |mk g| H iEDq [SpX mkHa |mk iEDq [SpX mkg K} KF[ s[ sD; s D ILe olVq NM |AD M H}o skD} skT} lF{rM B { mk chD lpq iEDq [SpX M }kX o[: sgM|: MlDM s sXM} s}} {}II V lABE ; 

]Ds I} o AVg MI{q XqV [ \{ e{} qH} ; mkM}M {q oMX ϩ MX {}: ] mk}T mk KDMp o aX mkchDD D F }D ϩ MX Fo o.H. [Vg lr M; ]D{} iEDq [SpX {o mk KSap kHr \{ q]} oq; KkX o.H. [Vg lr mk a's 4 Kq mk MI{q Mo} Fq KHsq lq }[} }o{ |o }pg oV M{kY aa mkMlF mks ME {}; {s }[ lD ʷY òM's mkomk mkMX |mk MpG }o I'} <MmkF kD MkX o}> HkX s]XHD M}q D}; M}o FD D} eL D} o 骧 骧 AX ]D{;

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oFo o.H. [Vg lr: kG cD | Kdo V: mk FD MI{q} KUI{o} \mk mk]M Fc[lq M[F mk MI{q sD Fc lq oS DKprM D; MI{q } \mk I mks H}o KDq F }: ]DM}p' KF[ sBmk? o M Ms D }pI sM |AD }D: {s òM's }MpI }Fmk cTlq | mkD: ] |mk pI D qmkF? mkF VXl s GM sD Fo s]LL pq's: {}II V}' qmkF? 

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Mo kFN Fo o.H. [Vg lr mko l SM mk E   KFo: qGM \mk's g}'s: mkg K} mkKUI{orM} mk]M Fc[lq} \mk | mkX ]M YM: mkEq KUI{rM'} oS: [I | DK V mkD c}cpq opHGN }: mk KE DM XG} D; mks HD mk{g WM: M c} LNM YM g[D D; \mk }^M H{~M M[XG o D Mo\D oKJM Sk D; }MI{q M }lX mk Md HDM }ID pU mkK{YM |S: }Fc lq | MI{q} Fc[lq} |ch[: mk Kd S UM Xk; p] o }o.H. [Vg lr mk MI{q D {s D òLq's skG}: {o G sD lmk KD\ mksmkD K} }cch L mkMH: |mk mkI Xmk; s |mk pI s] K} s: mkH _{ S sD k Dpg oX } 'MkX: {s oʷT sD òLq's Ls~M }sk }pI M }pg Xrpq} KXq} sDM D} LDq {}; mksHq D M;  

Fꋍ o.H. [Vg lr: ks S's cD DK U }X MI{q } }D ]DM}p MI{q KF[ mk MAmk } }mkF IrM: AVg MI{q XqV: {s 骧's mk MpI I F ko }^M sD S mk K} so lmk MpF s{]: mkq]q} HE{pg K}} MHs' Ha mkF KX ]D {kY' lI-lI mk ss Gq KED]}: o {pq KKD[ qHED} ]D sKS ; 

mkl'o M Ms'D }pI sM |AD }D: {s òM's }MpI }Fmk cXlq D| mkD: ] |mk pI D qmkF }kFN: olX KD | H\mk ;o S sD olX mk_{M Ms }U sD|: mk | DK YM MLch} MI} L}M }oX{q o  X ; ]Ds o }Fmk eTlq D| mkF M] olYM V ;  L}M {s opoD [mk: |mk pI ' sD mkF F}; ]Ds |mk pI omk dF]pq} ėXpq} D MBE: o bfk M sX sD ; 

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o.H. [Vg lr: <KmkIq lq mks} S mk H {k LK Smk|: | | K}]pq ]DD: BVg '} ]DsD: }IT KXI } |> D|| mkF} lq kF K} }? mkl's }p F D? 

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mkl's F {X mkD}; s D F {kS eL l SM MM: {o }^M }YM XgYM ]pq MF[ F }oBkM {YM: K} }p D: a M] oF {T; I'} }o{: K} M rM M kDM: Mo {YM ]M ch^M IT Ms D| kF: }M'} mkqF ch^M: kFM iXk o l} }} sD; mkoS mkmkk KmkIo} lq Ms D|| F MiVk e{ {}; 

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mk Kp }Bk oKHEF KFo }oD? 

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